I think it says even more about how shitty the mileage is. Kind of a "Jesus, I knew it would be bad, but THIS bad?" I think you're exactly right. No one could be stupid enough to expect decent mileage. They expect really really lousy mileage. They got unbelievably, unprecedentedly really fucking bad mileage. And actually, before the council of Nicea decided to proclaim Jesus to be the son of god in 425 A.D, Jesus had nothing to do with salvation, either. Posted by: on October 13, 2003 11:26 PM

what is the dadgum mileage of the h2? i didn't see it anywhere. i even told someone it gets crappy gas mileage and this person said: "what's its gas mileage then, huh?" i was standing there looking at him the way one would look at someone in a church carriying a chainsaw. so what is the gas mileage of the h2? Posted by: Kyle S. Ramos on January 26, 2004 08:57 PM

The first comment on this page is dead on about gas mileage, but his tangent into Jesus's salvation is what really caught my eye. It is severely lacking to make a sweeping comment like that with no proof. It is the same as me saying the moon was made of moldy meatloaf 10 million years ago. It is not proven and it does nothing for his argument. Jesus happens to be the son of God and it is clear and consistent throughout all of the scriptures. It didn't take a Nicean council to affirm or promote this. It is a known fact by the disciples of Jesus then and now. "Seek and ye shall find". The real issue about gas mileage is the stuardship of the earth that we were given. Driving a vehicle that is wasteful and showy goes against what true Christian belief is about. Humility and conscientious management of our lives with a reverence for our creator that creates love for fellow men is what life is really about. Posted by: RBirkes on March 25, 2004 11:13 AM

Hey RBIRKES. Get a life this is about Gas mileage not for your Christian rantongs. I understood exactly what the first guy was saying. Get a life, you don't need an imaginary friend to help you with that. Posted by: tporter on April 6, 2004 12:36 PM

When SUV's were getting a bad rap with the gas mileage, Jesus was brought into that too, with the "What would Jesus Drive?". My first thought was - A HUMMER. This one will take you across the desert, never getting stuck, would hold many Disciples and will get you anywhere you need to be when God calls. I really don't see any reason to bash Christians here. SUVs, Hummers, big trucks - they all have a purpose and none are really GOOD when it comes to the MPG thing. I'd just like to know how many miles Hummer drivers are getting per gallon. Posted by: robertson on May 4, 2004 10:24 AM

Thank you for responding, tporter. I was glad to see that someone was paying attention. To win your case you should refute the claim with something that backs it up. In my argument's case I chose first the infallible scripture of the Bible and then the word of his true followers. By claiming I have an imaginary friend you are attempting to refute my claims without evidence. It is true that I am following a divergent line of logic from the topic of the forum, but I was obliged to defend my unjustly attacked savior, as a Christian is called to do. The Lord Jesus is the living God who created and sustains all things, even the molecules that Hummers consist of. His love and design are a great testimony to the greatness of our creator. I know the spirit of the Lord must be involved to change human hearts, and I pray that his will be done in all of our lives. You are in my prayers. Blessings in the name of Christ. Posted by: rbirkes on May 14, 2004 09:04 AM

I think my HUMMER H2 gets Excellent Mileage compared to my SPIRIT OF AMERICA Posted by: Robin J on May 14, 2004 12:40 PM

I believe I heard a documentary about military vehicles on the Discovery Channel say that the commercialized Humm-vee or H2 gets about 11 miles to the gallon. Someone can correct that if it's wrong. I'ld just like to see the american cars be built with the same type of quality as the hondas and toyotas. Then we can truely feel good about 'Buying American', if you know what I mean. Posted by: Ronald Patterson on May 17, 2004 03:20 PM

hummer are better that all other cars. who the hell cares if if it gets crappy mileage. if you want a fuel economic car, buy a honda, but if you want a kick-ass car, get a hummer H1 Posted by: elle woods on May 21, 2004 11:12 PM

hummer are better that all other cars. who the hell cares if if it gets crappy mileage. if you want a fuel economic car, buy a honda, but if you want a kick-ass car, get a hummer H1 Posted by: elle woods on May 21, 2004 11:12 PM

Woods, i think you deserve to be stabbed in the face. KTHNXBYE Posted by: youramoron on June 13, 2004 09:35 PM

Woods, if every american drove that "kick-ass car", then you're kids will wheeze and die of lung cancer. The H2 gets on average 9 mpg. And don't give me any bullshit about being able to drive offroad. Almost no one drives offroad, and if you drive offroad in an H2, you deserve to be stabbed in the face twice. It's a friggin box on wheels. That thing looks like it'd explode faster than an explorer on firestone tires. The only way you could get halfway decent gas mileage is if you're falling from a cliff....which i hope you do. Posted by: yourramoron2 on June 13, 2004 09:45 PM

LOL, the H2 is NOT an offroad vehicle Posted by: Greg on June 14, 2004 03:51 AM

Yes the H2 probably gets worse mileage than even my old SUBURBAN!! WHO CARES!!! American's have ALWAYS driven gas-guzzling vehicles- what makes you think they are going to change now????? I have my SUBURBAN for camping & towing boat/RV, and will NEVER drive anything else!!!! Seems some of you people out there forget some people do use their vehicle for what it was made for (towing, etc)- not as a status symbol!!! I'll drive a SUBURBAN until I die, I don't care how much gas costs!!! What else do you think I can tow a big boat & an RV with??? Keep buying those Honda's you idiot's- LEAVES MORE GAS FOR ME!!!!! Posted by: julie on August 4, 2004 11:55 AM

This room is getting a little hostile with all of the male testosterone flying around. We all know why men buy BIG vehicles. It is to compensate for 'something else' that is just a little too small in their lives. I think I can leave the rest to imagination. And ladies who purchase giant vehicles, are usually lezbians. Also by the way, Julie with the Suburban, You can tow your boat/RV with many many different vehicles. For instance the Ford Crown Victoria, which is a six passenger sedan, and can tow up to 6500 lbs. We use that to pull our speed boat, and our 5800 lbs RV. It also gets 28 MPG highway driving and 21 city. So the next time you think you have to drive a suburban because there aren't any other choices, you should think again. And yes, when gas prices go up to six dollars a gallon like they already are in Europe and Japan, and there are new and improved Gas Guzzler taxes, you SUV drivers will soon realize that you are all screwed, and you will need to actually buy a vehicle that is PRACTICAL. Posted by: Sally Henderson on August 9, 2004 03:30 PM

do any of you jack asses even own 1? my hummer and the wifes S-10 blazer get about the same, blazer wins by just a hair...... who fuckin cares????? if you can afford the $950 month payment i hope you could afford the gas, other wise quit trying to be someone your not Posted by: Mark on August 10, 2004 05:49 PM

I think Hummers are the WORST cars in the WORLD because they are to big,bad gas milage,and whats the point of getting a Hummer? THEY ARE HORRIBLE! They are to big,Hummers are the car not to get! They have bad gas milage the gas milage is 10-12, even the BEAUTIFUL Land Rover is 100% better then a Hummer because that gas milageis 12-16 even better! A Hummer is the car not to go offroading with! Land Rover is the car to take offroad! All the things that I said are true!! ha ha ha! Posted by: John DECABIE on August 10, 2004 08:07 PM

I think Hummers are the WORST cars in the WORLD because they are to big,bad gas milage,and whats the point of getting a Hummer? THEY ARE HORRIBLE! They are to big,Hummers are the car not to get! They have bad gas milage the gas milage is 10-12, even the BEAUTIFUL Land Rover is 100% better then a Hummer because that gas milageis 12-16 even better! A Hummer is the car not to go offroading with! Land Rover is the car to take offroad! All the things that I said are true!! ha ha ha! Posted by: John DECABIE on August 10, 2004 08:08 PM

You know, I don't understand it. Everyone bashes the H2 for some strange reason over its gas mileage. To be honest, it's got an incredibly nice gas mileage for its capability and size. Think about it this way, the H2 gets about 10 mpg, well guess what, a Ferrari 360 gets about 10 mpg too. Now tell me who has bad gas mileage. Quit complaining about the H2 and start realizing the BIG picture. I hate the H2, not because of its gas mileage, but because it can't offroad too well. The H1, the ONLY HUMMER there will ever be get about 14 mpg, and its deisel. So I'd stick with the HUMMER and nothing else. So just forget about the H2 and the stupid gas mileage thing. People, just look at more things in life, please? Posted by: VINSIN on August 11, 2004 10:18 PM

I own a mini hummer, a dame Jeep Cherokee. It is awful on gas. About 18 miles to a gallon if I’m lucky. A straight 6 compared to a V8 is 1/3 less. So if you can get 9 miles to a gallon you are doing good for the power that you should be using. It makes me made when people start preaching about Jesus. When are we going to realize that he had nothing to do with a God? The Egyptians were here long before and what about Space. This is the age of science. Sorry but in my book there is no god. God is a made up throughout history. It’s an excuse for the creation of everything. The real “God�Ewould be SCIENCE. Back to the Jeep, Hummer, I feel that it is a fair price for something of it’s nature but�EWhat happened to the beefy style diesel tanks? Now that is what I would call a Hummer. Today you wouldn’t find the army using a new Hummer. Take them anywhere in the woods the plastic would crack or you know something expensive would break. If we were using them in Iraq we wouldn’t be able to sell the crude oil to anyone else because we would be burning right up, “A Little Joke.�EDon’t waste your money on a new Hummer. Buy an old one if you are interested and can afford it. Fix one up. You’re better off buying a Jeep or one of them multi-fuel type cars that can run off of solar. Posted by: Just Call Me Pollard on August 18, 2004 05:54 PM

I just got a new H2 last week. I'm loving it. The gas mileage does suck, but I certainly did not expect to get anymore per gallon than I did in my Escalade. As far as it being "too big" - it's less then two inches wider than any other full size SUV (tahoe, yukon, expedition, etc). I don't think the vehicle you drive defines who you are. I require a full size SUV for the needs of my children and honestly - I just liked the H2. There is nothing wrong with getting what you want. Posted by: Rocki on October 5, 2004 10:10 AM

I just bought my H2 last week as well. And let me tell you, while I was purchasing mine, 5 got sold in the same time. I was just there yesterday to get my paperwork and only 3 of more than 20 were there. They even sold the 3 H2's that were inside the building for display with all the bells, each prices about $100,000. Now for all you people who say that we are trying to compensate for something else, thats what I call jeaoulsy. While we are driving a bad ass machine, your girlfriends are looking out your honda passenger window and that just pisses you off! Posted by: Ronny on October 6, 2004 05:56 AM

Well I thought I liked the H2 and if I had that much money to throw away I might consider buying one, but after seeing so many housewives driving around in them its just not the same anymore. It has become a suburban yuppie icon, Id want to tear it up offroad fishing and hunting. I think Ill stick to a jacked up tacoma. Posted by: Mike on October 6, 2004 11:02 AM

Hummer's rock and I'm about to buy my first H1! Definitely more offroad capable than the H2, and a beast in the Arizona desert. For all those of you who like to discuss Jesus and Hummers, I bet if Jesus was given a Hummer he'd drive it. If you think Science is God, and you believe in the big bang, then you believe human being are accidents that have evolved from tadpoles and have no real purpose. You have to have a lot of faith to believe in that! Otherwise, you believe there is a God that has created this great universe and that we do have purpose. Who has more faith? This same God sent His son Jesus (who is God incarnate) to die for us to save us from eternal death from our sinful lives, and so that He may commune with us forever. He also sent the Bible to communicate to us what He is like and His intentions for our lives. Since it doesn't say in there whether or not buying a Hummer is a sin, as long as you don't let it go to your head and let it become greater than the things that are really important in life, then HAVE FUN DRIVING ONE DESPITE THE GAS MILEAGE! God knows I will! Posted by: JesusRocks on October 7, 2004 02:07 PM

I really don't understand why everyone is complaining about the H2 getting crappy gas milage, the vehical is what it is. It gets roughly 10mpg. My friend's Dad has a Chevy 2500 and it gets 12, the vehicals are roughly equivilant, and they get roughly the same gas milage, SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM! Personally I would definitely prefer an 80's F250 8 cylinder Diesel 5 speed over the H2, but hey, it DOESN'T MATTER. As a person who drives an hour a day to get to school, and almost gets hit by some asshole in a large vehical (whether its a H2, Ford, Chevy, etc...) who isn't paying attention or "forgets" that their vehical has a blind spot thats as big as a house, the LAST thing I am thinking about is their gas milage! Posted by: Tanner on October 12, 2004 09:15 AM

It isn't just the gas issue...it is that your large vehicles are dangerous on the road. Those of us in smaller vehicles can't see around them and God forbid you hit one of us in our normal sized vehicles. Oh, but wait! YOU will be safe. It is just me and my kids that will die as your trophy car runs over us. If anyone has children that REQUIRE them to own a vehicle as large as a Hummer then you probably need to take a good long look at what you call quality family time. And you have got to be kidding if you are calling off roading in to the picture. I can't imagine that people who respect nature and want to spend a lot of time in it would feel okay about themselves buying this sort of gas guzzling machine. Posted by: Jessica on October 21, 2004 09:21 PM

First let me say that I really like the way Hummers look. They look like a mean driving machine. Now let's look at it from the standpoint of using one's brains. Read the reviews of Hummers on Edmunds.com, the premier car buying research site. Nobody in their right mind and without a deep need to compensate for personal deficiencies and be the center of attention would buy a Hummer. The vehicle itself is ridiculously expensive, not very comfortable, has cheap interior parts and little passenger space for something that big. It is extremely unsafe for other drivers on the road. Its enormous size prevents anyone driving behind it from seeing the light of day. Its weight and build assures that in a collision with a normal sized vehicle it will squash the latter like a bug and turn all of the passengers inside it into ketchup. Buying something just for looks does say something about the people who do it. When one disregards every reasonable argument against buying something that is as impractical, overpriced, unsafe for other drivers and the environment as a Hummer that person is a self-centered, selfish prick. And the messages from Hummer's owners in this thread prove it. Their arguments basically boil down to "Fuck off! I shit on you all. I will drive my Hummer to get attention. That is what I care about more than your stupid environment or killing you little pussies in your puny little Hondas". The argument that Hummers are not much worse than other argentous SUVs that have filled up our roads in the past five years (SUV sales are up 42% over that period of time) is absolutely idiotic. Half the country consists of dumb pricks who buy these equivalents of buses disregarding every reason not to. That says something about Americans as a nation. Thanks in large part to the SUV craze our already unbelievable consumption of oil has increased by leaps and bounds. This increased demand directly resulted in our current Middle Eastern policy. The more oil we use the more of our young men and women have to die to secure additional oil reserves in politically unstable shitholes around the world. For the proud Hummer owners that should not be a concern though. Hummer's motto should be "I shit on you all, fuckers!" That would describe their owners' attitude and essence to perfection. P.S. How did Jesus and discussion of religion and god interject into a thread about Hummers is beyond me. The stupidity of a large chunk of America's population never seizes to amaze me. I especially loved the arguments about Jesus driving a Hummer if he could. Talk about a complete lack of understanding of your own religion! Posted by: ranndino on October 26, 2004 12:59 PM

When I see a big truck or SUV I tell my boyfriend "that guy has *issues*". My boyfriend drives a Honda civic because he's secure with his manhood and doesn't need to compensate. The bigger the truck the smaller the man. He could afford a new SUV if he wanted, but he's mature enough to put that money in the bank for a rainy day. A car suits our needs just fine. If we buy something big we have it delivered. We go camping and fishing in the Honda. If we get married and have kids, we'll just buy a bigger car. Having kids does not require a truck. We're not in the construction business after all. Ronny wrote: Posted by: Christie on November 2, 2004 12:02 PM

Meh, I'm in Arizona... I believe between a Hummer and a Jeep Wrangler, I think the Wrangler would be a helluva lot more fun out in the desert. I can't see off-roading in a vehicle that costs more than I make in two years. An old Jeep, you can destroy it and you don't really care 'cause it's not an expensive vehicle (especially compared against a Hummer) and most parts are fairly reasonably priced. As long as you have a roll bar, dents and mud show you had a good time. Regardless, I drive a Sports car that still manages to average around 23 MPH ('95 3000GT). I have plenty of fun with it, I get noticed, and although my back seat is a joke, it still will seat three people (okay, so one of them will be sitting sideways, but...). The H1 was cool as a military vehicle, but I don't think Civilians really need that kind of weight behind their daily-drive. Posted by: on November 17, 2004 11:28 AM

You gays don't know what it's to drive one! I take my H2 off roading and is asome! If you can't owned one dont complayn. Try one off road and then beach about it! Day got it I love it and want replace it with anything alse besides H1. People complayning about H2 newer new what is to own one.Love it, Love it. Best off road expiriance ever had compering to Pathfinders extreras, and other SUV's. Posted by: mark on November 27, 2004 03:49 AM

You gays don't know what it's to have one! I take my H2 off roading and is's a blast! If you can't owned one dont complayn. Take one off roading and then talk about it! Day I got it I love it and I'll not replace it with anything alse besides H1. People complayning about H2 newer new what it is to own one.Love it, Love it. Best off road expiriance ever had compering to Pathfinders Extreras, and other piace of sxxx SUV's. Posted by: mark on November 27, 2004 03:57 AM

Oh My God!! you people are so Dumb! Half of you cant even spell... LOL This forum was to be about gas mileage, not Jesus, Honda's, Toyota's, offroading or any other idiotic thing you pepole posted. If want to rant about things other than gas mileage go elsewhere. Oh yeah jesus and the devil are actullay really good friends who like to play tricks on us and burn up excess gas in our SUV's. They take our Hummers out at night and go offroading and disconect our odometers so that we think we get bad mileage...... LOSERS! Posted by: OMG!!! on January 12, 2005 10:08 PM

My boyfriend's dad has a H2, I drive military "H1"s, or Hmmvs around in the army. I am a Christian (I don't know why, but that seems to be an issue in this forum...) 1. I agree with what was said, if you respect nature, or life, you shouldn't drive a hummer. It is wasteful. 2. H2s are not for off road. Most people in a H2 will not go off road. There are better things to use to tow you boats and trailers in and to go off road. 3. It is an ego thing. but so is buying a mercedes, but a mercedes does better than 10mpg, and is probably safer for everyone. 4. The person who thinks they really need a hummer for their kids is an idiot. I hope a person with an xmt - for their kids hits you all. 5 They were only cool for rappers for about 60 seconds. Posted by: Tanya on March 15, 2005 03:39 AM

who cares about gas milage drive what you like and can afford I drive a 2004 chevy 2500 crew cab 4x4 and the wife drives a 2003 gmc envoy they both get bad milage and people scared of big cars stay of the roads I drive a f350 box van for work I can't get all my tools and suplies for work in a honda so get real people my big block chevy race car has to run on race gas all my hobbies take gas from my boat to my atv's why wok if I can't play Posted by: rick on March 18, 2005 09:56 PM

I came across this page while searching for vehicle backgrounds. I am in the market for a new car or suv. I'm looking at the H2 or S500, both of which are high end vehicles. After reading the comments by some of you. I feel as if though most of you are more so envious of the people who drive these vehicles as opposed to caring about the environment. Why would it concern anyone what the next person drives? I have one question for those of you who bash the H2's and other vechicles that you can't afford. If you won the lottery, what car or SUV would you be driving? I bet you it wouldn't be the Honda's or Crown Victorian's... So stop whinning and get a better job or a life possibly. Posted by: Brandon on March 23, 2005 09:11 AM

I own a Hummer and just drove a trip of over 600 miles and got 13.5 mpg. I always get about 13 miles per gallon. There are millions of Ford and Chevy and Dodge trucks out there that get 10-12, so I don't feel that mine is bad at all. Posted by: on April 1, 2005 11:51 AM

I drive a Dodge Dakota, gets 15 mpg, and is perfect for when I have to haul lumber, sheetrock, my band equipment or a load of wood for my outdoor fireplace. I did not buy this truck to compensate for "something else." I'm happy to say that I don't feel the need to compensate for my manhood. Bottom line, I bought this truck because I liked it, and wanted a pickup truck so I could haul stuff around and not worry about messing up the interior of an SUV. I wouldn't buy a Hummer for a few reasons: I can't afford it, I think they're overrated, and have become (in some cases, not all) a status symbol for the well-to-do who feel the need to show off what they have. I respect the right people have to drive what they want to drive. I also consider the environment, but shouting about who's better because they drive a Honda or an H2 isn't going to help that. Posted by: No Compensation Required on April 11, 2005 10:11 AM

Right, so the H2 gets roughly between 9-13.5 mpg, correct? I can live with it and will when I purchase my new one this evening. I too, like Brandon, was looking for vehicle background information when I came across this forum for political and religious agendas. It was actually amusing for the last 30 minutes and has helped me end an otherwise boring workday with a smile. Fortunately I cannot be easily swayed by tree huggers and/or the fuel evangelists that have invaded this otherwise innocent discussion...Oh yeah, I also own a 1969 Super Bee with 3 dueces, it gets about 5 mpg...Nice! Oh yeah, I just read about the new H2H Hydrogen Hummer..check it out. My hopes are that they create one that runs on baby seal pelts...gotta have it!! Posted by: Drew on April 20, 2005 04:26 PM

http://trucks.about.com/cs/suvreviews/a/hummer_fuel04.htm Vans, pickup trucks, and SUVs that weigh more than 8,500 pounds gross vehicle weight are classified as heavy-duty vehicles...Fuel economy regulations do not apply to them So, that may explain why it is hard to find official MPG numbers for the Hummer. This article estimates it as follows: 2004 Hummer H1 - 16 mpg 2004 HUMMER H2 SUV - 9.6 mpg One other intersting link I stumbled on regarding Hummer - http://slate.msn.com/id/2096191/ Posted by: michael on April 24, 2005 10:08 AM

I have a 2003 f350 crew cab it get about 17 mpg it's a diesel. the mpg, to me sucks, but I love driving it I live in alaska and this thing comes in handy, but I will buy the new toyota highlander hybrid in june, to take on long road trips. I would never buy a hummer those things are small and a waste of money, $50,000+....and for what? a shoe box with wheels Posted by: jim on April 27, 2005 04:32 AM

Anyone still reading these outdated comments? Now that gas is approaching 2.50 per gallon, I've noticed more economy cars on the road, and many "big rigs" parked with for sale signs begging buyers. For real "off road" experience, ride a mt. bike or take a hike. I have to smile when I come across the 4 wheelers stuck out in the wilderness due to their "I can go anywhere with my 4 wheeler." Seeing Hummers driving in a city makes me think the owner is either stupid, fearful, arrogant, just plain wasteful, or a military wanna be. Still bringing Jesus into the picture? Beliefs based upon dogma can be wasteful or worse, dangerous. Worry about yoursef and set a right example. Preaching about God or Jesus underlies a fear of life and death. Have courage to think for yourself. B. Posted by: bob on April 29, 2005 01:31 PM

FYI to the guy who wouldnt buy a H2 because he thinks his Dakota is so much better... the Dodge Dakota releases about 30 pounds of smog forming pollution every 15,000 miles... Look at every other truck in the Dakota's class, they get about 15 pounds of smog forming pollution per 15,000 miles... If you say you care about the environment and think your Dakota is better than an H2 which releases about 40 pounds of smog forming pollution per 15,000 miles then you have got a lot to learn about numbers, mainly how close to 40 pounds 30 pounds is... (PS - I drive a 95 Dakota 4x4) I must agree that those who are bitching and moaning about Hummer's do seem to be jealous as opposed to caring. It seems that you're complaining about the H2's mileage and pollution as a means to combat the reality that you can not buy a vehicle which costs as much. Sure, you may not actually want a Hummer, but surely you know that Hummer is not the only brand of vehicle that has lousy gas mileage and is exempt from meeting emissions requirements? If you cared so much about the environment you would want it to be mandated that all vehicles with a 10.50 rear axle (heavy duty rear axle, it is mostly what contributes to poor mileage... higher number, less MPG to put it simply) would need to run off diesel and could not be sold in gas engines. (diesel has more energy, and is more efficient, thus it has higher MPG even as the gear ratio's and axle ratio's increase), and in addition you would want diesel vehicles to undergo emmissions inspections just like gas vehicles, this would help the pollution problem which you enjoy bitching about so much... Now let's consider that you're geniunly frightened of being hit by a vehicle as large as a Hummer (or any SUV or Truck for that matter)... why does this fear exist? Of course it is not because you are jealous and can't afford the vehicle, many SUV's and Trucks cost less than cars. So what is this fear? (rhetorical question, dont answer it)... I do not see how this fear could exist reasonably... SUV's and Trucks have low bumpers for a reason, they wont go into your head. Just as a side note, my sisters Hyundai Elantra (very small car) was hit by a Ford Excursion a while back... The Excursion completely broadsided her Elantra... Guess what happened to her? NOTHING lol... She was completely safe even though the biggest damn vehicle on the raod, a Ford Excursion, broadsided her tiny little Elantra, the fucking windows didnt even shatter lol... You people have nothing to complain about... Sure, the size difference does increase the risk of death or serious injury to small vehicles, but it has been proven that the ONLY reason death and serious injury occurs in CARS is because there are more cars on the road, and death or serious injury occurs ONLY in SUV to Car accidents because of the high rate of speed of the impacts... It is simple physics that if one car (no matter the size) impacts another car (no matter the size) doing 50 MPH, someone is going to get hurt... Now please, do us all a favor, stop whining and get over it, stop being jealous, and start looking at the facts of the case. People bitch and moan about Hummer's because they're an easy target, so gaudy and flashy that they can't even be inconspicuous and avoid the main firestorm like heavy duty (10.50 rear axle) trucks and SUV's can So... stfu you. Posted by: TomDodge on May 11, 2005 07:40 PM

i think youre all idiots Posted by: me on May 15, 2005 09:35 PM

One discussion about the big SUVs (if you can still call this a discussion, with all the closed-minded opinion flinging) that I haven't heard too much about is the resale value of these babys. They're in style now, but 5-10 yrs down the road, is anyone going to want one? The gal with the old suburban is into her car, but those were built like tanks and they last, so they have that going, but these new big SUVs seem to be big POSs. Most folks who like their old trucks like the rugged construction or off-road capabilities. My pops drives an Excursion and I just don't see anyone wanting that thing after a decade for any reason. Anyone out there try to resell one of these? Posted by: David on May 26, 2005 01:46 AM

You gotta chuckle when the Hummer lovers state the reason we hate the H2 is because we can't afford one. Practically any dope with a credit card who walks into a Hummer showroom can drive out with one. The salespeople start salivating like Pavlov's dog and will find a way to qualify you. They make a huge commission on these POS vehicles and you better believe you can afford one, even if you can't. The Hummer has got to be the most assanine vehicle ever made. $50,000 price tag, more pollution than 5 cars put together, less than 10 miles per gallon, and a reliability rating no better than a Yugo. No wonder it rhymes with Dumber. Posted by: Mark on May 29, 2005 08:14 PM

I do agree that hummers are for people who have a very small penis. If you want a real offroad vehical then get Unimog or something, heck, they can pull two hummers out of the mud while pulling a trailor, be running run a PTO still get better gas milage. GM stands for GRAVE MISTAKE. Posted by: ESAD on May 31, 2005 07:53 PM

Here we go again, those simple folks who know so very little about Hummers are trying to quote facts like they actually do own one ( or maybe they looked into getting one and realized that they couldn't afford it ) , well I do, and have 70K miles on it with no issues. Please, go home and try to convince your wife it's not the coolest vehicle on the road, I saw her looking at me today in mine. Unimog?--get real, Freak! Posted by: DMAN on June 10, 2005 04:30 PM

I don't know why we are picking on the H2 Hummer in particular today, but I'd like to join in. I agree with the poster who basically told it like it is. People who drive these things basically are crapping on the rest of us. They have no concept of social responsibility or the responsibility to conserve natural resources and leave the earth undefiled for our children. They also don't give a shit about our economy which is going down due to massive trade imbalances caused by our importing oil. I also say that they are the ones responsible for killing our boys over in Iraq because every dime you spend on gasoline goes into some Arabs pocket. They use this money to buy weapons and explosives to kill each-other and us. I think the problem is that some of these people believe that they are the only ones that matter. Others are genuinely too stupid to see cause and effect. They don't realize that if everything they do involves burning oil, they are the problem. I've seen both types on this board, but I actually will give most people the benefit of the doubt and say that they are members of the second group. As a society, we need to help them understand what they are doing to the rest of us by taxing the heck out of fossil fuels like they do in Europe. Maybe that will put an end to the idiots who drive gas guzzling vehicals just for fun. It would also clear the roads of all the morons driving RVs and perhaps people could actually start getting healthy hobbies like bike riding, hiking, swimming, canoeing and so forth which don't require the burning of our precious natural resources. Posted by: Lyle Howard on June 16, 2005 01:55 PM

It's blatantly apparent that many of these connversations contain comments, suggestions and opinions that are highly speculative. If you really want to know what someone is thinking or what they are about - just ask. May I suggest you don;t pretend to know them simply based on the vehicle they choose to drive? I own a Hummer, and I recycle all of my plastic, aluminum and paper, I give to the surfrider foundation (an ecological charity) and I maintain an average 7" representation of my male-hood. The Hummer drives quite nicely, yes - it's expensive... just like many other expensive cars such as Benz's, Porsche's and BMW's... I surmise that persons that purchase these vehicles do so for a variety of reasons but I cannot imagine one of them being practicality or fuel economy. Generally, vehicles in these classes survive because their buyers are looking for something different, something new, something perhaps that many other people may not have easy access to. I work extremely hard from my money and getting a Hummer was nothing more than a reward to myself for my daily performance. I believe people should buy what they want to buy, for whatever reasons are theirs... I have an idea... for every reason one chooses to bash another, espevially based on speculation - why not share something of yourself that is less desireable. This way the conversation is maintained on an even playing field. We Hummer owners could just as easily bash on Honda Civic owners (by the way I own an Accord as well) for owning a mini tin can that gets lost in the crowd or sucks because it couldnt crawl out of a muddy hole, but where's the production in that conversation? If anyone cares, my suggestion is that those that choose to participate in thi forum present the facts, wihout weighted opinions and speculation beyond one's possible knwledge or experience...chances are that everybody that finds the site may actually get some of the answers they are seeking... Posted by: mitch on June 22, 2005 06:31 PM

THANK YOU MITCH OHHH AND AMEN! Now tell me about any other problems youa'll have been having please nicely, thanks Posted by: bobo on July 7, 2005 04:07 PM

THANK YOU MITCH , OHHH AND AMEN! Now tell me about any other problems youa'll have been having with your HUMMER, please nicely, thanks Posted by: bobo on July 7, 2005 04:08 PM

I love my Hummer, I get an average 13.5 combined mileage and 15 freeway at 60 mph. I think most of the negative remarks on this site are my narrow minded jealous people. I work hard for my money and this is something that I enjoy. For those who think I am wasting natural resources I would assume they walk to the store never go on vacation or ever think about setting foot in an air plane or boat and don't use air conditioning. Give it a rest and a life of your own. Posted by: on July 26, 2005 10:05 PM

I love my Hummer, I get an average 13.5 combined mileage and 15 freeway at 60 mph. I think most of the negative remarks on this site are my narrow minded jealous people. I work hard for my money and this is something that I enjoy. For those who think I am wasting natural resources I would assume they walk to the store never go on vacation or ever think about setting foot in an air plane or boat and don't use air conditioning. Give it a rest and a life of your own. Posted by: on July 26, 2005 10:06 PM

A lot of the pro-Hummer comments here really sum up American consumer attitudes nicely. Essentially, "I like Hummers, they fit my lifestyle, so who cares if they guzzle gas like a thirsty camel in the middle of the Sahara?" That's the problem with folks these days. They don't give a damn about anyone or anything outside their immediate sphere of existence. "The environment? Who cares? It'll be okay for my lifetime." And forget about asking these folks to think about what the world is going to be like when they're dead and buried. I think SUV's in general are lame because 1) They're obviously bad for the environment 2) They make the U.S. dependent on foreign oil, meaning that our economy is subject to influence by the whims of foreign despots and 3) They generally make driving unsafe for everyone. Not to mention they have lousy acceleration and handling. People feel safe in SUV's because they're high off the ground and weigh a lot, but you have to consider what you give up to get that - namely manueverability, braking stopping distance, speed, and stability. SUV's pose a huge danger to drivers of normal cars, because statistics show that when an SUV crashes with a car, the car gets the worst of it since the SUV's higher ground clearance means it will collide above the car's doors or sometimes climb onto the vehicle. And forget about trying to see the road in front of you when you're driving behind one. There are maybe a handful of people in the U.S. who can actually justify buying an SUV for actual need - I mean hauling, off-road capability, etc. The majority of buyers are just giving in to the advertising bs that tells them an SUV is cool because you can go up a mountain with it. Hell will freeze over before they ever see or touch a dirt road. Bottom line - these are extremely selfish vehicles for anyone to drive, but they fit current American attitudes ("to hell with everyone else") perfectly. Posted by: Guy B. Jones on August 13, 2005 07:13 AM

A lot of the pro-Hummer comments here really sum up American consumer attitudes nicely. Essentially, "I like Hummers, they fit my lifestyle, so who cares if they guzzle gas like a thirsty camel in the middle of the Sahara?" That's the problem with folks these days. They don't give a damn about anyone or anything outside their immediate sphere of existence. "The environment? Who cares? It'll be okay for my lifetime." And forget about asking these folks to think about what the world is going to be like when they're dead and buried. I think SUV's in general are lame because 1) They're obviously bad for the environment 2) They make the U.S. dependent on foreign oil, meaning that our economy is subject to influence by the whims of foreign despots and 3) They generally make driving unsafe for everyone. Not to mention they have lousy acceleration and handling. People feel safe in SUV's because they're high off the ground and weigh a lot, but you have to consider what you give up to get that - namely manueverability, braking stopping distance, speed, and stability. SUV's pose a huge danger to drivers of normal cars, because statistics show that when an SUV crashes with a car, the car gets the worst of it since the SUV's higher ground clearance means it will collide above the car's doors or sometimes climb onto the vehicle. And forget about trying to see the road in front of you when you're driving behind one. There are maybe a handful of people in the U.S. who can actually justify buying an SUV for actual need - I mean hauling, off-road capability, etc. The majority of buyers are just giving in to the advertising bs that tells them an SUV is cool because you can go up a mountain with it. Hell will freeze over before they ever see or touch a dirt road. Bottom line - these are extremely selfish vehicles for anyone to drive, but they fit current American attitudes ("to hell with everyone else") perfectly. Posted by: Guy B. Jones on August 13, 2005 08:09 AM

Well said Guy...my sentiments exactly. Right on! The only way for Americans to stop being selfish and continue driving these monstrosities is the hit them in the pocketbook. To hell with the environment...I had to pay too much for gas...Wahhh! If I see one more news story on some idiot SUV/Big Truck driver complaining about rising gas prices, I'm gonna scream. Take responsibility fellow Americans, quit whining and wallowing in your own crap, and be mindful about your footprint on this earth! Posted by: C on August 17, 2005 03:28 PM

"Getting a Hummer was nothing more than a reward to myself for my daily performance." That has got to be one of the more selfish comments I have ever heard. The general view of most Americans today is that we are: materialistic, arrogant, selfish, and ignorant. Judging by your passage, you have unfortunately proved them correct. Congratulations on becoming a stastic contributing to the idiocy of the United States' population. People like you are skidmarks on the underpants of society. Posted by: Adam on August 17, 2005 06:48 PM

Wow, I just couldn't help but laugh out loud at the arguments of the Hummer owners. You folks have illogical reasoning for buying these vehicles, and your arugments lack common sense. It's nothing more than that. Posted by: Adam on August 17, 2005 06:51 PM

WOW! I read a comment earlier about some b*tch saying somthing like... "If you won the lottery what SUV would you get?" as if money would make yiou say "screw the economy, environment, and our soldiers!" Hey, Brendon b*tch, im only 19 y.o. and i just closed a real estate deal that made me a millionare... 2.7Mil if your curious. do you really think i'm going to go out and buy one of these pieces of sh*t? HELL NO! why don't YOU get a life and get a real passtime besides offroading... try jogging or biking you F***ing redneck... i'm buying a mini cooper that im proud to say gets up to 32 mpg and a sweet car. i just can't imagine wasting precious resources when we have our own people dying for it in the middle east. you selfish bastards who say "I can afford it... your girlfriend is jealous!" unfortunately there are too many people like you that feel the same way and thanks to that we are funding terrorism which, if you've already forgotten, flew two airliners full of people into two buildings full of people in in a state called NEW YORK!!! You f***ing fools. And im not just saying that i hope every H2 bursts into flames tonight with nobody in them, what im saying is that we all need to stop buying these monsters that consume an unnacceptable amount of gasoline for tasks that are so ridiculous that is laughable. Someone here actually said "I need my H2 for all my kids" if that's true then what you really need is one of those little ass school buses for the special kids... they might even come equiped with a lowering ramp so they dont overexert themselves... C'mon people... Im not a hippie but we seriously need to start thinking how we can all make this a better world instead of having an "F you all" attitude and "i do what i want" your not a kid anymore, grow up... this is serious. we need to make car companies realize that we don't need competing horsepower but rather competing miles per gallon. if we do that maybe they'll make a hybrid that actually looks good. Posted by: FUH2 on August 21, 2005 01:59 AM

Damn, this is a long thread. I think the real interesting thing about it is it started up over 2 years ago and still has life in it. Anyway, I hate to ruin a good rant with some facts but I'll go ahead and do so. Lets start with the sales - see http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05122/497861.stm SUV sales down quite a bit now. And used SUV sales are just about gone. I hope you SUV owners like your vehicles because your going to have them a while, or take a financial bath. Now, for the guy who was bitching about getting vehicles under CAFE would be better to improve the environment, well let's just see whats NOT under CAFE shall we: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml SIX FRICKING VEHICLES and ALL of them you can't give away nowadays. I don't see that this is a valid argument either - just about all vehicles are already under mileage requirements. And now, a word about CAFE - which you can read about here: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuitem.d0b5a45b55bfbe582f57529cdba046a0/ well guess what, the numbers of vehicles that guzzle fuel is SMALL compared to the total number of vehicles. So I don't buy the argument that the US is going to pot because everyone shits on everyone else, either. The fact of the matter is this: We Americans use a lot of gasoline because we LIKE TO DRIVE. A small rice-burner car driving a ton of commuting miles uses more fuel than a big Suburban that sits around or is driven on short trips. If you put Americans into more fuel efficient cars they will just drive more. No real savings of oil there. For that matter all the poor saps with SUV's who are desperate to unload them could simply drop their fuel prices by DRIVING LESS. And their SUV would last a lot longer too. And what are the time-honored ways to drive less? Carpool, combine trips, vacation close to home, move close to your work, do all your errands on the same day, find activities for your kids to do that are closer in, ride a bicycle, walk, ride a bus, ride a subway, ride a metropolitian rail system. SIMPLE AND OBVIOUS but people make excuse after excuse that they can't do this. Why? Because people are damn lazy, it's more convenient to jump in the car and run to the store when you find your out of salt then to plan ahead and have enough salt in the house so you don't run out. Or paper towels, or buttwipe, or anything you can name. And one last word about the whiner who claimed to need a SUV for her kids - GET A DAMN MINIVAN. They are more comfortable and get way better gas mileage. Posted by: Ted on August 22, 2005 04:19 AM

I wonder if all the H2 bashers have one or have ever had one ? I just my H2 SUT and I love it. It gets better gas mileage then the Lincoln Navigator and I dont see anyone complaining about that SUV. I do use mine off road and to pull stuff. Everyone bitching is just jealous because they dont have one. Get a life..Lead , follow, or get out of the way ! Posted by: jim on August 25, 2005 03:33 PM

As a person who lives in Michigan and travels frequently into the upper portions of lower Michigan, I am part of the one percent that truely use my off road vehicle as an off-road vehicle. As an architect, I go off-road on job sites and on average of at least once a month, find myself climbing up hills or crossing fields investigating future sites for my projects. I have owned a dodge durango, a Z71 Tahoe and currently a Avalanche. With the exception of the durango that literally got 14 MPG on the highway! my avalanche is getting 17.5 and my tahoe was around 18.5. Currently I am in the market for a new SUV. Four wheel drive and seating for at least four large adults is mandatory. I have been looking at the H2 and a new Z71 Tahoe. I have found the H2 to be a more comfortable vehicle and perhaps more FUN in general, however as a person who purchases a serious amount of fuel each month ($500-$600 each month) I am finding it rather difficult to justify the nearly two to three hundred dollar increase that I will have to spend each month in fuel. In addition, Where I find driving an SUV a mandatory requirement for what I do, I too am concerned about the world I live in and find it difficult to rationalize a vehicle with such poor gas mileage. For those people who need to tow something or actually do go offroad, I have found the Tahoe to be a very capable towing vehicle and more than capable of tackeling all but the most extreme offroad conditions. The H2 may be fun and comfy but really hard to justify. Posted by: Blakerevo on August 26, 2005 10:52 PM

With regards to Teds comments above. In addition to the SUV my wife and I have a brand new Dodge Caravan which averages about 24 mpg on the highway. I agree that it is a very good people hauler and anybody who thinks he needs a H2 because he needs to haul his kids around obviously doesn't haul his kids around very much. If he did he would realize that a mini-van is WAY better and more convenient than anything on the market. You really hate the fact that end up loving those things. Where Ted goes astray is in his comments about people driving less. I think most people drive as much as they need to drive. I try to maximize my trips and pick routes that will utilize my time and mileage the most efficiently however I still regularly drive 35-40,000 miles each year. I believe that higher gas prices will weed out those people who are too lazy to consolidate their driving. One more thing when i went to the Hummer dealer two weeks ago to price and test drive a new H2. Not only was I the only potential customer in the dealership but they are giving these things away. I can get a H2 for nearly the same price as a Z71 tahoe and just to validate what Ted said about SUV values dropping through the floor; my 2003 $42,000 avalanche with 80,000 miles is worth a whopping $15,000 as a trade in. Yes it sucks and trust me, if I didn't need an SUV there is know way I would be buying one right now. I would like to add one more thing; Does anybody find it a little bit suspicious that our president, whose family got rich from oil, is so incapable of getting the oil prices down where they were? Also why aren't we jumping down the oil companies throats trying to regulate them like we are trying to do with the pharmaceutical companies? Anybody for a conspiricy theroy? Posted by: blakerevo on August 26, 2005 11:13 PM

Here's the bottom line: This is a free country. We can do what we want. We can buy what we want. I bought an H2. I love it! Guess what? I make the payments. I buy the gas. I can afford it. If you can't, then maybe you need residual income. All of you complaining about H2's are probably working for someone else, paying the IRS half of your salary and you're not saving a dime of what you do make and you're living paycheck to paycheck. What a wonderful life. It's not my life. Picture yourself in 5 years; Like that see? If not, only you can change that. If you want to make the money you deserve, and not have to worry if gas goes up or not, then visit www.lemaygroup.com Posted by: LeMay on September 1, 2005 06:21 PM

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